The Podcast For Engineering Leaders

Hey! We're Eiso & Jason, and we're passionate about developing exceptional software engineering leaders.

Together with our guests, we chat about the ins and outs of managing software teams at different  stages of your business. If that sounds cool, click play and subscribe to Developing Leadership!

Eiso Kant (CEO @ Athenian, previously CEO @ Sourced)
Jason Warner (MD @ Redpoint, previously CTO @ Github)

Jason WarnerEiso Kant

Latest Episodes

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April 19, 2022
46
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Dana Lawson, SVP of Engineering at Netlify and the human incarnation of sunshine, joins us on the podcast to share her lessons on hiring engineers and the interview process. We also spoke about the tech industry's changes in the last decade and how you can build inclusive software engineering teams.

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April 5, 2022
37
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Andrew Conner, Co-Founder and Engineering Leader at Levels, joins us to share his journey of leading an engineering team at a company with a strong hardware component. We spoke about building remote asynchronous companies, the importance of feedback loops, deep work, and transparency as you collectively build software and hardware.

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March 22, 2022
42
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Katie Wilde, the VP of Engineering at Ambassador Labs, joins us to spill the tea on Holacracy and decentralized management systems. Find out why these organizational structures don’t work for companies building software and how they can drive your best people away. Katie also shared how her previous company, Buffer, transitioned from a Holacracy into a strong engineering leadership culture, through goal-oriented 1:1s, effective feedback, and creating a strong sense of responsibility among its leaders.

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March 8, 2022
45
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Co-Founder and CEO of Moov Financial, Wade Arnold, has had a hell of a journey as a software engineering leader. He joins us on the podcast to chat about building companies, attracting great software engineering talent, and increasing velocity as you scale.

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February 22, 2022
37
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We welcome Jonathan Nolen, Senior VP of Engineering and Product at LaunchDarkly, to talk about his 100+ people Product Delivery team - a term coined by the company, where Engineering, Product, and Design come together. We spoke about what this three-function team means for engineering organizations, how you can build a culture of shared responsibility, and much more!

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February 8, 2022
39
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Eiso and Jason step up to the mic and make their wild guess on how the state of software engineering will evolve, given what we know now. The tech industry will look a lot different in 20 and 30 years. From autonomous coding to self-driving cars to automatically powered engineering leadership. We might not be ready for that yet, but our kids are gonna love it.

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January 25, 2022
38
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In an episode dedicated to what we think the next generation of engineering leaders should avoid, Jason and Eiso talk about the books every engineering leader reads, the over-glorification of 80’s maniacal leaders, OKRs, and other tech industry things we love to hate.

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January 11, 2022
38
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Senior Director of Engineering at Datadog, Nuno Antunes, joins us to talk about a highly requested topic: Transitioning from Software Engineer to Engineering Leader. From striking the right balance between being a people vs. process-oriented leader to the challenges of building teams in fast-growing companies, this episode is jam-packed with teachable moments, workshop approaches, and the organizational shifts we've witnessed through the years.

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December 28, 2021
43
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Dagger Co-Founder and Docker’s former VP of Engineering, Sam Alba, joins us for a retrospective on company culture and how early-stage teams should develop it as their companies evolve. As Dagger grows from a founding team of three to ten and so forth, Sam, Jason, and Eiso, share their views on building companies, leading by example, and the importance of embracing culture in a genuine way.

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December 14, 2021
44
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Erik Bernhardsson joins us on the podcast to chat about building engineering teams and the delicate balance between innovation and productivity as organizations grow. We also shared our views on team mentalities, skunkworks projects, and more as we tried to answer the question: "what is success in engineering?"

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November 30, 2021
41
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Community creator and engineering leader at Apple, Michael Lopp (aka rands), joins Jason and Eiso to chat about the power of storytelling for engineering and the state of content for engineering leaders. The author of "Small Things Done Well" shares his opinions on video conferencing, distributed work, and how managers can create more authentic connections with remote teams.

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November 16, 2021
39
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On our 10th episode, Eiso and Jason present a conversation dedicated to CEOs and everything they need to know about their engineering organization and leadership. From tech debt to dependency management and communication styles, understand engineering team's infrastructures, the timings and expectations of building product, and much more.

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November 2, 2021
42
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Sam Lambert, CEO of PlanetScale and previously VP of Engineering at GitHub, joins us to talk about building high-performance teams. We chatted about leading with influence, advocating for your team, creating delightful hiring experiences, knowing when to fire people and how to keep your software engineers close to your end-users to build great products.

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October 19, 2021
38
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Jason and Eiso wrap up their three-part series on Engineering Leadership roles by taking a deep dive into Engineering Managers and Tech Leads. Learn how to hire your first engineering manager, whether to hire your engineering leaders from inside the company, and how the roles of tech leads change as your company grows. We also covered communication techniques and how to design your teams as the company scales and communication lines increase.

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October 5, 2021
41
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Jason and Eiso continue their deep dive on different engineering leadership roles, sharing their thoughts on CTOs, VPs, and Managers, how to hire for these roles, and adopting organizational structures that promote transparency and trust in the decision-making processes that shape your business.

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September 21, 2021
48
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In this episode of Developing Leadership, we kick off our deep-dive series on different Engineering Leadership roles. Jason and Eiso discuss how CTOs, VPs of Engineering, and Engineering Managers should navigate through the various stages of their company. From prioritizing at different seed rounds to developing a go-to-market strategy, building their company’s architecture, and the day-to-day of each of these roles.

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September 7, 2021
44
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Former GM of Snyk, Anton Drukh, recently became a mentor for VPs of Engineering and joined us on this week's episode to discuss his experiences leading a team split between two very different cultures. His journey as a leader working with teams in Israel and the UK is a lens into how diversity of mentalities can be an essential asset for tech companies and how it played a role in Snyk's success.

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August 24, 2021
58
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Neo4j just raised the biggest round in database history and their CEO, Emil Eifrem, joins us on the podcast to tell us about his experience transitioning from a day one CEO to running a company with more than 500 employees.

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August 10, 2021
39
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Jason and Eiso share the frameworks that have helped them navigate big and small decisions through the years and look back at how key decision-making moments shaped how they operate as leaders today.

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July 27, 2021
43
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How do we make sure that we are deliberate about the culture of our organization and not find ourselves pushing for outcomes without care of how we achieve them? Jason and Eiso go through the building blocks of positive company culture and explore how companies and leaders can adapt as their teams grow from two people in a garage to thousands of employees.

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July 6, 2021
36
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In the first episode of Developing Leadership, Jason and Eiso talk about how the roles and perceptions of engineers and engineering leaders have changed over the decades. From the catastrophic offshoring trend of the early 2000s to the golden age of development, the tools, the processes and the culture shifts.

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